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Freud's Pastor

Psychoanalysis, Pastoral Counseling, and the Problem of Recognition

Blane Brazier, MA, LPC

Sigmund Freud had a pastor. Not in the ordinary sense of someone who provided spiritual direction, administered the sacraments, or attempted to rescue the founder of psychoanalysis from his atheism. His pastor was Oskar Pfister, a Swiss Protestant minister who became one of the earliest practitioners of psychoanalysis and maintained an important friendship with Freud. Their relationship complicates the familiar history in which psychoanalysis and religion are presented as irreconcilable enemies. Freud remained deeply suspicious of religious belief, while Pfister regarded faith as an indispensable part of human experience. Neither surrendered his convictions to preserve the friendship. Instead, their disagreement became an occasion for considering what psychoanalysis might contribute to the care of souls and what religious experience might reveal about the limitations of psychoanalytic understanding.

Pfister encountered Freud's work while attempting to understand forms of suffering that did not yield readily to pastoral instruction. The people who came to him were not necessarily struggling because they lacked sufficient knowledge of their religious traditions. They were troubled by guilt, sexuality, anxiety, disappointment, and relationships that seemed to reproduce the same painful experiences. A person might believe in forgiveness while remaining tormented by guilt, or devote themselves to a religious understanding of love while struggling with resentment toward those they were expected to love. Freud's developing psychoanalytic method offered Pfister another way to approach these contradictions, one that did not begin by assuming the person needed a better understanding of religious doctrine.

The friendship began in 1909 and continued through an extensive correspondence in which both men discussed their clinical work, the developing psychoanalytic movement, and their considerable disagreements about religion. The letters reveal an affection that did not depend upon intellectual agreement. Freud could question the psychological origins of faith without treating Pfister as incapable of serious thought, while Pfister could defend his theological commitments without needing to convert Freud. Something about their friendship allowed each to remain interested in the other without requiring that their differences be overcome.

Carlos Domínguez-Morano revisits this relationship in Sigmund Freud and Oskar Pfister on Religion: The Beginning of an Endless Dialogue. Rather than treating the correspondence as an eccentric friendship between two otherwise incompatible thinkers, he considers how their exchange became part of a larger conversation about the psychological meaning of religious experience. Their disagreement was not incidental to their friendship. It provided the occasion for questions neither psychoanalysis nor theology could settle simply by asserting its own authority. Freud wanted to understand why people believed, while Pfister remained interested in what forms of believing might make possible.

Freud's The Future of an Illusion, published in 1927, proposed that religious ideas could be understood through the wishes arising from human helplessness. The world does not arrange itself according to our desires, and the experiences of suffering, injustice, and death expose the limitations of human control. Religion may provide an image of a providential order in which these difficulties acquire meaning and protection remains available through a powerful, benevolent authority. Freud connected such wishes to childhood dependence and the longing for paternal protection. His argument concerned the psychological origins and functions of religious belief, particularly the possibility that something could feel necessary without thereby being established as true.

Pfister answered in 1928 with The Illusion of a Future, an intentionally provocative response to Freud's title. He did not deny that religious belief could become involved in repression, neurotic guilt, or the avoidance of reality. His commitment to psychoanalysis depended upon taking those possibilities seriously. Yet he challenged Freud's suggestion that the wishful origins of religious belief exhausted its significance. Faith could become defensive, but it might also participate in ethical development, love, and the capacity to bear experiences that could not otherwise be reconciled. For Pfister, the psychological criticism of religion was necessary without being the final word on religious life.

The disagreement becomes more interesting when Freud's position is considered as part of an evolving body of work rather than reduced to a single conclusion about religion. William B. Parsons approaches this history in Freud and Religion: Advancing the Dialogue, examining Freud's major religious writings, their subsequent criticism, and the developments through which psychoanalytic thinkers reconsidered religion. Parsons distinguishes reductive, adaptive, and transformational approaches to religious experience, inviting a broader account than one in which religion can only be understood as a symptom to be explained away. His work is useful because it preserves the importance of Freud's criticism while questioning whether that criticism exhausts what psychoanalysis might discover about spirituality.

This distinction matters for pastoral counseling. A person may describe God as loving, merciful, and forgiving while experiencing divine judgment as an almost constant threat. They may know their religious tradition well enough to explain why their fear is inconsistent with its teachings, yet find that theological knowledge does little to change how they experience themselves. Another person may speak of grace with considerable conviction while organizing their life around the necessity of becoming acceptable. The contradiction does not necessarily indicate insincerity or insufficient religious education. It raises a question about how conscious belief has become entangled with unconscious identifications.

A person does not encounter religious language outside the relationships through which language first becomes meaningful. The words father, obedience, love, forgiveness, and surrender may acquire their emotional force long before someone develops a sophisticated theology. A child whose affection was contingent upon meeting expectations may experience obedience as the condition of belonging. Another whose expressions of anger were treated as disrespect may learn that love requires the absence of aggression. These experiences do not mechanically determine religious belief, but they may become involved in the way religious language is heard and inhabited. The image of God may be inseparable from an image of the person one must become in order to deserve love.

I have become interested in the imago as a way of approaching these images. An imago is not simply an inaccurate mental picture that can be corrected by supplying better information. It is an emotionally consequential image through which someone comes to recognize themselves or another person. The good child, the disappointed father, the self-sacrificing mother, or the person who must never make a mistake may become involved in the organization of later relationships. These images acquire their significance within a world of expectations and words through which people learn who they are permitted to be.

Religious experience can become especially consequential when an imago is sustained through the authority of theological language. The person who believes they must always be loving may find little room to acknowledge aggression. Someone who understands humility as the absence of desire may become ashamed whenever they want something for themselves. Another may believe that faithfulness requires the elimination of doubt and become frightened by questions that arise without invitation. The problem is not necessarily the religious commitment itself. It is the way a particular understanding of the commitment has become entangled with an image through which the person must continue to recognize themselves.

Pastoral counseling has often attempted to respond to these difficulties by offering reassurance or a more gracious understanding of religious doctrine. Such interventions can be meaningful, particularly when someone has encountered spiritual abuse, harsh moral expectations, or religious instruction that has intensified their suffering. Yet a person may learn to repeat the correct language of grace without experiencing anything different in their relationship to guilt. They may become especially accomplished at speaking about unconditional love while remaining invested in the belief that their own worth must continually be established.

This is where the difference between teaching and analytic listening becomes important. A pastoral counselor may know that a person's theology is unnecessarily punitive. A therapist may recognize that the person's guilt resembles a familiar psychological pattern. Both observations may be reasonable. Yet the person may need something more than another explanation of what they ought to believe. They may need an opportunity to discover what guilt, obedience, selfishness, or forgiveness have meant within their own history. A familiar word may become an occasion for associations that neither the counselor's theology nor the therapist's psychological theory could have anticipated.

Someone may describe themselves as selfish because they resent caring for an aging parent. They may be convinced that their resentment reveals a moral failure, particularly when their religious tradition places considerable importance upon honoring parents and caring for the vulnerable. A pastoral listener might remind them that exhaustion is understandable and that care does not require the abandonment of all personal needs. Such reassurance may provide relief, but the person might also begin to recognize that selfish was the accusation they heard whenever they disappointed a parent. The word may belong to a history in which needing anything for themselves seemed to threaten love.

The analytic work does not require deciding that the religious commandment is invalid. It allows the person's experience of the commandment to become complicated by the relationships through which it acquired significance. The person may love their parent, resent the demands of caregiving, feel ashamed of their resentment, and fear that relinquishing responsibility would leave them without a recognizable place within the family. Their suffering may be sustained through an identification that has also given their life meaning. The good child may be exhausted by the obligations of goodness while remaining unable to imagine who they would be without them.

Marie T. Hoffman's Toward Mutual Recognition: Relational Psychoanalysis and the Christian Narrative introduces an important development in this conversation. Hoffman brings relational psychoanalysis into dialogue with Christian theology, drawing upon the work of Hegel, Jessica Benjamin, Paul Ricoeur, and several psychoanalytic traditions. She considers identification, surrender, and gratitude as movements toward mutual recognition, placing them in conversation with the Christian narratives of incarnation, crucifixion, and resurrection. Her argument is not that psychoanalysis and theology are interchangeable. Rather, she explores how each might illuminate the relational and transformative possibilities of the other.

Hoffman's work raises a particularly important question about recognition. Human beings develop through relationships in which they are seen, responded to, and acknowledged by others. A person whose experiences have been repeatedly dismissed may find it difficult to develop any confidence that their emotional life matters. Recognition can therefore be an important part of psychotherapy, especially when someone has learned to conceal their needs, desires, or experiences in order to preserve a relationship. A listener who takes the person's account seriously may offer something they have rarely encountered elsewhere.

Yet recognition introduces a difficulty of its own. Someone who has spent their life attempting to satisfy the expectations of others may become increasingly dependent upon the recognition offered by the therapist. They may learn what kinds of disclosures seem important, what constitutes insight, and how to speak in ways that produce the reassuring experience of being understood. The therapist may sincerely believe that the person is becoming more capable of recognizing themselves, while the patient has discovered another relationship in which becoming recognizable to someone else remains necessary.

There is a difference between being recognized and becoming less dependent upon the image through which recognition is demanded. Relational psychoanalysis has developed sophisticated ways of considering this problem, and Hoffman's account of mutual recognition deserves to be taken seriously within that conversation. Still, my developing interest in Imago Psychotherapy approaches the question from a somewhat different direction. The aim is not simply to establish a more satisfying relationship of recognition between patient and therapist. It is also to investigate why particular images have become necessary to the person's experience of themselves.

A person may experience considerable relief when a therapist recognizes their suffering. Such recognition may be especially consequential when the individual has rarely felt understood. Yet the person may also remain attached to an image of themselves as someone who has always been misunderstood. Their identity may have become organized around the expectation that others will fail them, while the therapist becomes the person who finally provides the recognition they have sought. The therapeutic relationship can become important without necessarily altering the unconscious position through which the person continues to recognize themselves.

The issue becomes particularly interesting within pastoral counseling. Someone may long to be recognized as faithful, forgiven, spiritually mature, or worthy of divine love. A religious leader may provide reassurance that these things are already true, while the person remains uncertain because the experience of being acceptable depends upon another authority's declaration. The pastor becomes the person who confirms what God thinks of them. The reassurance may be comforting, but it may also preserve the arrangement in which their worth must be established through someone else's recognition.

This does not make reassurance inappropriate. There are occasions when people need comfort, encouragement, and practical support. A person experiencing a crisis of faith, grief, or severe depression may need more direct care than interpretive inquiry alone can provide. The question is what the intervention accomplishes and whether it is mistaken for a transformation of the relationship through which suffering has become organized. The person may feel better because an admired authority has told them they are acceptable, while the necessity of securing that authority's approval remains intact.

Freud's concern with identification becomes relevant here. The ego does not develop independently of the people and ideals through which the individual comes to recognize themselves. The ego ideal and later the superego introduce complicated relationships among identification, prohibition, authority, and guilt. A person may find themselves evaluated by standards that seem to belong to them while carrying the emotional force of relationships that have become unconscious. Religious authority can enter these arrangements, although it cannot be reduced to them in every instance. The problem is not simply that a person believes in God. It concerns how the position of divine authority may become involved in the person's unconscious experience of judgment and recognition.

Lacan's distinction among the Imaginary, Symbolic, and Real permits another consideration. The image of the faithful person participates in the Imaginary, while its significance develops through the Symbolic relationships of language, law, family, and religious tradition. The person does not merely imagine themselves as obedient. They occupy a position within a world in which obedience has acquired meaning. The Real is not identical to God, divine transcendence, or some hidden spiritual truth. It concerns what resists complete symbolization, what cannot be finally accommodated within the images and explanations through which psychic reality is organized.

The distinction matters because both religious and psychological explanations can become attempts to master experiences that resist them. A bereaved parent may know what their religious tradition teaches about suffering and resurrection while remaining overwhelmed by anger, longing, and the absence of the child who has died. A therapist may understand the psychological dimensions of grief without being able to remove the reality of the loss. Additional explanation may become intrusive when it is offered in place of an encounter with what cannot be made satisfactory. The person may need a place to speak about the limits of what they know rather than another account of why the suffering ought to make sense.

Pastoral care can offer such a place, particularly when the listener does not require the person to become an example of faithfulness. A person may feel anger toward God without wanting to abandon their religious commitments. They may experience relief following the death of someone they loved and cared for over many exhausting years. They may feel both devotion and resentment toward their congregation. These experiences do not necessarily demand immediate theological resolution. They may require a listener willing to remain interested in what the person has found difficult to acknowledge.

Freud's The Question of Lay Analysis, published in 1926, presents an additional complication to the supposed opposition between psychoanalysis and pastoral care. Freud argued that psychoanalysis should not be restricted to physicians simply because the work occurred within a treatment relationship. Its distinctive concern was the unconscious life of the person who came to speak, rather than the application of medical knowledge alone. His defense of nonmedical analysts was not an argument that clinical preparation was unnecessary. It challenged the assumption that medical authority possessed an exclusive claim upon the analytic encounter.

Pfister recognized the importance of this distinction. He was interested in people whose lives had become difficult without their necessarily being ill in the conventional medical sense. Their marriages, creative work, desires, and moral conflicts could become sources of profound suffering even when no particular diagnosis adequately described what had gone wrong. The language of the care of souls offered an account of human need broader than the treatment of disease, while psychoanalysis offered a way of investigating experiences that moral instruction alone had not been able to resolve.

In a 1929 letter, Pfister went so far as to argue that psychoanalysis itself should remain a lay undertaking, not a means of imposing religious obligations upon the person receiving treatment. This is a consequential distinction. The pastoral counselor who employs psychoanalytic methods cannot simply use the treatment to produce a better Christian, just as the psychoanalyst cannot ethically organize the work around producing a better atheist. A person's beliefs and experiences may become the subject of investigation without the therapist deciding in advance which religious position the inquiry ought to produce.

There is also an important difference between pastoral counseling and licensed psychotherapy. Religious leaders may offer meaningful spiritual care without practicing psychotherapy, while clinicians who integrate spiritual concerns into treatment remain responsible for clinical competence, informed consent, and the appropriate boundaries of their work. An interest in Freud or the unconscious does not by itself qualify someone to undertake psychoanalytic treatment. Yet this distinction need not eliminate the possibility that pastoral care can become more attentive to psychological complexity, just as psychotherapy can become more thoughtful about the spiritual experiences that matter to the people seeking treatment.

The greatest difficulty may arise when either discipline assumes it already possesses the final explanation of the other's concerns. A psychoanalyst who interprets every religious belief as an attempt to secure paternal protection may be no more interested in the person's particular experience than a pastor who interprets every psychological difficulty as a failure of faith. Both have arrived with a theory capable of making the person's suffering recognizable before it has been sufficiently heard. The interpretive confidence of the listener can become an obstacle to the experience the person is attempting to communicate.

This is where I locate an important possibility for Imago Psychotherapy. I am interested in the ways a person's life becomes organized around images that promise recognition, including the good child, the faithful believer, the indispensable caregiver, or the person who must never disappoint. These images can become deeply valued, even while they produce considerable suffering. The person may consciously desire change while remaining invested in preserving the identification through which their worth has become recognizable.

What I have begun to call imago dissolution concerns the possibility that an image may lose some of its necessity without requiring that the person abandon the relationships or commitments with which it has become associated. Someone may remain devoted to their faith without needing to demonstrate an uninterrupted certainty. They may continue to value forgiveness without requiring themselves to deny aggression. They may serve others without depending upon the recognition of being indispensable. The image does not necessarily disappear, nor does the person become free from ordinary identifications. Something changes in the authority the image has exercised over what they are permitted to experience.

This proposal remains in development and should not be confused with an established school of treatment or with the relational concept of mutual recognition. Hoffman's contribution is useful precisely because it permits the difference to become more visible. Recognition can create the conditions in which an individual begins to acknowledge experiences that have been excluded or disavowed. But recognition may also become another ideal through which the person attempts to achieve a satisfactory identity. The analytic question is not only whether someone has become recognized by another person, but whether their life must continue to be organized around the demand that a particular image receive recognition.

Freud and Pfister offer a historical example of a relationship in which meaningful differences remained unresolved. Neither man became the person the other might have wished him to be. Their friendship did not require the disappearance of disagreement, and their intellectual exchange did not produce a final synthesis of psychoanalysis and faith. Instead, each continued to encounter a perspective that could complicate his own. Something about this arrangement may offer a useful image of the kind of listening pastoral counseling and psychoanalysis require, provided we resist turning the friendship itself into an ideal that every treatment must reproduce.

Parsons allows the conversation about religion to move beyond Freud's most reductive formulations, while Domínguez-Morano returns our attention to the historical encounter through which that conversation developed. Hoffman brings the discussion into the clinical and relational concerns of contemporary psychoanalysis, particularly the possibility that theological and psychoanalytic narratives may illuminate one another without becoming identical. Taken together, their work suggests that the relationship between psychoanalysis and spirituality remains more productive as an ongoing inquiry than as a problem finally resolved by either discipline.

Perhaps the enduring significance of Freud's pastor lies in his willingness to let psychological inquiry trouble the religious images through which people have learned to recognize themselves. He understood that the care of souls could not always consist of supplying better explanations of goodness, forgiveness, or faithfulness. Sometimes the person needed the opportunity to encounter the unconscious conflicts through which those very words had acquired their meaning. The work did not necessarily require abandoning religious belief. It required making room for experiences that belief had sometimes been used to conceal.

Pastoral counseling and psychoanalysis may encounter one another most fruitfully where the person seeking care discovers that they can speak without first becoming the person the listener expects them to be. The image of the good believer, the faithful child, or the spiritually mature person may become less necessary, not because religious commitments have ceased to matter, but because those commitments no longer have to preserve the same unconscious arrangements. The result is not necessarily a better believer, a more enlightened patient, or a more satisfactory image of oneself. It may be the possibility of living and speaking without requiring every experience to establish who one has been taught one must become.

Notes & Further Reading

  1. Domínguez-Morano, C. (2024). Sigmund Freud and Oskar Pfister on Religion: The Beginning of an Endless Dialogue. Routledge.
  2. Freud, S. (1914). On narcissism: An introduction. Standard Edition, Vol. 14.
  3. Freud, S. (1921). Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego. Standard Edition, Vol. 18.
  4. Freud, S. (1923). The Ego and the Id. Standard Edition, Vol. 19.
  5. Freud, S. (1926). The Question of Lay Analysis. Standard Edition, Vol. 20.
  6. Freud, S. (1927). The Future of an Illusion. Standard Edition, Vol. 21.
  7. Freud, S., & Pfister, O. (1963). Psychoanalysis and Faith: The Letters of Sigmund Freud and Oskar Pfister. Edited by H. Meng and E. L. Freud. Translated by E. Mosbacher. Basic Books.
  8. Hoffman, M. T. (2011). Toward Mutual Recognition: Relational Psychoanalysis and the Christian Narrative. Routledge.
  9. Lacan, J. (1949). The mirror stage as formative of the I function as revealed in psychoanalytic experience. In Écrits.
  10. Lacan, J. (1953). The function and field of speech and language in psychoanalysis. In Écrits.
  11. Parsons, W. B. (2021). Freud and Religion: Advancing the Dialogue. Cambridge University Press.
  12. Pfister, O. (1928/1993). The illusion of a future: A friendly disagreement with Prof. Sigmund Freud. International Journal of Psychoanalysis, 74(3), 557–579.

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